the flow and investment and people follow countries that have a more competitive environment, and taxes is one of them. reform the tax code. when you do that, you get more revenue. guaranteed almost. i mean, it's, again, it's as i said earlier, there's opportunities here, and this is an opportunity for us as a country, and as you look at the budget analysis, joint tax committee analysis of what tax reform could be in terms of economic and growth, i mean, all of them will lead to more growth whether it's corporate tax reform or individual tax reform. >> right, but if the president insists, said last friday, he said this was fought over in the campaign, and we fought over tax rates, rising tax rates, he didn't use the word "rates" himself, but the press secretary said the president would veto any bill that extends tax rates. if he insists rates go up for those making over $250,000, what would your recommendation be to the republican congress in the senate? >> working in two white houses, i believe a president has a veto over the press secretary, thank goodness, because i like the presiden